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PUB HISTORY
Hastings, St Leonards,
Rye & Lewes

  

  



ORAL HISTORY

RYE


Julie Brett * Eveline Gillians * Rowland Jempson * Ted & Barbara Jones and David Shepherd



Julie Brett

Dear Editor
I see the March issue of “Rye’s Own” has a story about pubs and about The Oak Inn. Apparently somewhere between 1890s and 1901 my Great grandfather was the landlord of the Oak for just 1½ years as he went broke. Mr Cade who had the tailors next door had a receipt he had found with my Great grandfather’s name on it, his name was Charles Henry Ditcher but often went under the name Henry Ditcher. I know it is around that date as out of 6 children born Stuart Ditcher was the only one born in Rye; the rest all older were born in Queenborough, Sheppey. I do a lot of family research and so one day I will write about the family.

7 April 2013
Hi Julie,
Many thanks for emailing. I was interested in your letter because we know little about the Oak so far.
I found your great grandfathers name in the S.E. Advertiser for 1897 when he applied for the licence and when the Oak was transferred to him, and again in 1899 when he left. It was then transferred to one Arthur Page. These years seem to have been sad times for the Oak and its landlords and landladies?
    When you say "he went broke" do you mean bankrupt and where did he go then ? Do you have any more information about him or the pub.
    And by the way: are you related to Thomas Brandon Brett of St Leonards? I have a huge amount of information on him.
Regards David.

10 April 2013
Hi David,
Sorry to have been so long in getting back to you.
    Regarding some history on my great grandfather I can only relay to you what was passed down to my father and then to me, and what I have found out by family genealogy.
    He was born in 1855 in Newington Kent and married Elizabeth Kemp in 1879. He had 7 children - the last was born in 1899 in Rye. Before moving to Rye they lived in Queenborough, Isle of Sheppey and the story goes that his father sent him and his family to Rye with 300 guineas to set himself up in a business and he chose the Oak Inn. Why Rye, well Elizabeth was born in Udimore and Rye was the nearest town. In the 1901 census he was back living with his parents in Queenborough. He died in 1904 of aortic obstruction and nephritis. It was also said that he went "broke" or bankrupt because he used to let people have drinks on the "slate" and he drank himself. After he died the family returned to Rye. My grandfather married in 1909 and so that is where my roots started.
    I did not know about the applying for a licence for the Oak Inn. If you get anymore information about him I would love to know.
    As far as I know we are not related to Thomas Brandon Brett, my husband’s family originate from Margate, Kent.  
Regards Julie




Eveline Gillians by email.

14 March 2013
Hello Mr Russell,       
I attach pictures of my grandfather, Frederick Sutton, from my family history album.     Kind Regards. Eveline



NB Frederick Sutton was the blacksmith at the Forge, which was attached to the Globe, around the late 19th century to the 1920s.
















Ted & Barbara Jones and David Shepherd in Kings Avenue, Rye. 15 April 2013

David produced a photo of a Mock Mayor ‘event’ at the Globe in the early 1960s. The participants were dressed in black with top hats adorned with the  symbol of the Style & Winch Brewery. They wore (lavatory) chains of office and carried (ball cock) maces.


Rowland Jempson
Telephone call 17 April 2013 followed by a letter.

My great grandfather, Charles Jempson, was landlord of the Greyhound, Wish Street from 1864 to 1873.  He is listed in the Census returns as a shipwright and inn keeper, presumably working in the shipyard by day and the Greyhound in the evening. He was married to Jane Videon and they had 8 children. We assume Jane ran the pub during the day as well as looking after the children. The last 5 were born in the Greyhound: Charles Videon born 29 December 1866, Arthur Ernest born 12 January 1869, David born 2 July 1870, Harry born 21 July 1872 and baby Charles born 18 October 1874. Jane Videon died in childbirth or shortly afterwards, of exhaustion and breast cancer. Baby Charles died the following day. Charles Jempson ended his life in the Ore workhouse, Hastings in 1907, and is buried in a common grave at Hastings Cemetery.

    Landlords from that time: Dudley & Peggy Pearson, Derek & Lena Baldock and John Clements.
   The saloon bar was on the far right of the building and the ‘cave cellar’, in the cliff at the back, was the best cellar in Rye. Ted and Barbara remember beer being carried from the cool cellar into the pub.
    David talked about Cliff Jordon, pianist in the Globe who has a lot of photos - he will ask.
    David has played in darts teams all over Rye including the Globe and the Ferry Boat teams. Ted thought the Ferry Boat was lacking in atmosphere.
    They remember the Bonfire Boys of Military  Road collecting wood from the trees on the cliff face. Torches being replenished at the Crown and made up at the rear of the Queen’s Head.
    All three felt the Globe had become “an up-market London wine bar”, a mile away from the treasured community resource they remember. The old cave cellar, now plagued with rats, was long ago sealed off for health and safety reasons. The entrance can be seen clearly from the top floor of the cottages opposite.

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